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Saturday, October 09, 2004

 

Is there a difference between spider-webs and cobwebs? What is the difference?

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It seems like this is a question that a lot of people don't really understand, because the answers seem to go along two specific paths - its either a type of spider-web that's more elaborate than a normal web, or its an abandoned web that collects dust, or any other dusty stringy substance found in corners. Because of the diverging answers, I'm going to try and pool the wisdom and start from the beginning with this, and attempt to make all accounts of the word cobweb agree.

Lee Daniel Quinn's says (information supplied by bryonjr - THANKS SO MUCH!) that the problem begins with the word cob web, and I think this is where the diverging accounts come from. Years ago, spiders and other arachnids were referred to as cobs, so in the earliest times of usage, the two words were synonymous (the earliest times are dated back to the 14th century). In Middle English, the word was "coppe" (c. 1323) and later cop (funny that arachnids feeding on speeding flies and officers feeding on speeding teens should share the same name at one time or another). The Old English word for the modern-day spider was attercop, "atter" meaning "poison" and "cop" meaning "head." He mentions that cop is also probably where we got the word for corn on the "cob," being more literally a head of corn rather than an ear. Makes sense, because we think of a head of lettuce - why not a head of corn? I would also assume, and this is mere extrapolation on my part, that the snake called the adder is named after the word atter, meaning poison. The word cob is only really used by the British nowadays, meaning "nut" (shape of head), "horse" (large head), male swan (chief or head swan), and a type of loaf (a head-shaped loaf, at that).

So, we can conclude from this information that in the beginning, when someone would notice a cobweb, he or she would be noticing the same phenomenon that would be called a spider-web today.

From here the definition seems to meander off into different directions. I would imagine that it was those who clean houses, or just those who live in dirty houses, who decided that the cob web is merely a collection of dust that appears to have strands. Perhaps this is merely singular strands of spider-web that are not formed into an intricate weaving. Perhaps this is an actual spider-web that has collected dust. Perhaps there is no spider involved whatsoever, and these are just threads of dust condensed in a corner. This is one path the meaning has taken. I would imagine that etymologists and other scientists evolved the word in the other direction. This is the impression I get from the information bryonjr supplied me off of www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn. According to this information, what we normally refer to as a spider-web is a specific type of web made by specific spiders that is scientifically called the orb web. Orb, more than likely, refers to the fact that the weaving of the strands roughly orbits a central point, and it is shaped two-dimensionally and circular. A cob web is described as dense and elaborate, which suggests that it is three dimensional. It is said to be more efficient, so I would imagine it covers larger areas and is able to catch larger prey. I think that both of these definitions are valid, depending on which context one comes from.

And to conclude this whole thing, I would summarize that today's definition of cob-web depends on the context from which someone views the word. For the everyday people like myself, a spider-web is a web inhabited by a spider which is used for catching prey. A cob web is likely to be abandoned and collecting dust.

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Definition of cobweb - a dense elaborate spider web that is more efficient than the orb web

 

Definition of Spider Web - a web spun by spiders to trap insect prey

In my mind, using the definitions given by www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn , the difference literally is how elaborate or complex the web is.

Upon more research I found this on http://www.takeourword.com/TOW116/page2.html

From Lee Daniel Quinn:

The word cobweb is the problem.  I know that cob is the old term for a spider, therefore, a cobweb is a spider web.  The problem is that, in my house (and the houses of a few other people I know), there are cobwebs and spider webs.  A cobweb is a single strand of dust, whereas spider webs are multi-stranded in a pattern.  I can find no term for cobweb/spider web that is as I describe above, so I turn to you for help. 

You actually have the word you seek already.  Cobweb does mean "spider web" in its earliest incarnations (14th century).  However, less than one hundred years later it was already being used to refer to similar material produced by insects (versus arachnids), and one hundred years after that, it referred to "any musty accumulation".  

The cobwebs to which you refer are actually single strands of spider thread that collect dust (versus a complete spider web).  Based on the history of meaning discussed above, you can probably get away with calling spider webs and spider strands cobwebs, especially if they are dusty.

While we're at it, we should discuss the etymology of cobweb.  It is, as you suggest, formed from cob "spider" and web.  Cob was originally coppe (as in Middle English coppeweb, 1323) and later cop.  It derived from Old English attercop "spider", which was formed from atter "poison" and coppe "head".  Coppe is thought by some to be related to cob "ear of corn" which would make a cob more a "head of corn".  We don't hear other uses of cob much here in the U.S., but in Britain it has other meanings: "nut" (shaped like a head), "horse" (has a large head) and "male swan" (chief or "head" swan) and a type of (head-shaped) "loaf".  Some think the links between these words tenuous, at best.
Posted 10/9/2004 10:19 PM by bryonjr - recommend - reply

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I always thought that spider-webs were like.....freshly spun webs.....haha.  And then cobwebs were old abandoned spider-webs.  Well you wanted a response right?  There you go.
Posted 10/9/2004 10:35 PM by TinaBeena - recommend - reply

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I've seen spiderwebs and cobwebs in the windows of my house, with spiders crawling around my house (even in the shower when I was in it). Comment anytime

Posted 10/9/2004 10:56 PM by femaletrumpet02 - recommend - reply

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hahha...i am sorry that i dun know .. -_-''
Posted 10/9/2004 11:07 PM by sheeplovem - recommend - reply

I'd have to agree with TinaBeena.  Even if a cobweb is more elaborate than an orb web, it doesn't say anything about whether the spiders are still using it.  A web that a spider still uses would be a spider web.
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uh i am severly aranchniphobic therefore i try not to deal with spiders
Posted 10/10/2004 8:06 PM by BlackRaven42 - recommend - reply

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i dont know
Posted 10/10/2004 8:54 PM by CLYGERIC - recommend - reply


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